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Q2 2024 Nutanix Inc Earnings Call

Participants

Rajiv Ramaswami; President, CEO & Director; Nutanix, Inc.

Richard Frank Valera; VP of IR; Nutanix, Inc.

Rukmini Sivaraman; Principal Accounting Officer & CFO; Nutanix, Inc.

Benjamin James Bollin; Senior Research Analyst; Cleveland Research Company LLC

Daniel Robert Bergstrom; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets, Research Division

Dong Wang; Research Analyst; Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division

Erik Loren Suppiger; MD & Equity Research Analyst; JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

James Edward Fish; Director & Senior Research Analyst; Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division

Jason Noah Ader; Partner & Co-Group Head of Technology, Media and Communications; William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division

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Meta A. Marshall; VP; Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Michael Joseph Cikos; Senior Analyst; Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division

Pinjalim Bora; Analyst; JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division

W. Chiu; Senior Research Associate; Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division

Wamsi Mohan; MD in Americas Equity Research; BofA Securities, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Nutanix Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Rich Valera, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Richard Frank Valera

Good afternoon, and welcome to today's conference call to discuss second quarter fiscal year 2024 financial results. Joining me today are Rajiv Ramaswami, Nutanix' President and CEO; and Rukmini Sivaraman, Nutanix' CFO. After the market closed today, Nutanix issued a press release announcing second quarter fiscal year 2024 financial results.
If you'd like to read the release, please visit the Press Releases section of our IR website. During today's call, management will make forward-looking statements, including financial guidance. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results to differ materially and adversely from those anticipated by these statements.
For a more detailed description of these and other risks and uncertainties, please refer to our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal year ended July 31, 2023, and our subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q as well as our earnings press release issued today. These forward-looking statements apply as of today, and we undertake no obligation to revise these statements after this call.
As a result, you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future. Please note, unless otherwise specifically referenced, all financial measures we use on today's call, except for revenue, are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges. We have provided, to the extent available, reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures on our IR website and in our earnings press release.
Nutanix will be participating in the Morgan Stanley TMT Conference in San Francisco on March 6. We hope to see some of you there. Finally, our third quarter fiscal 2024 quiet period will begin on Tuesday, April 16.
And with that, I'll turn the call over to Rajiv. Rajiv?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Thank you, Rich, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered a solid second quarter with results that came in ahead of our guidance. The macro backdrop in our second quarter remain uncertain, but stable relative to the prior quarter. We continue to see steady demand for our solutions driven by businesses prioritizing their digital transformation and infrastructure modernization initiatives and looking to optimize their total cost of ownership, or TCO.
Taking a closer look at the second quarter, we were happy to have exceeded all of our guided metrics. We delivered record quarterly revenue of $565 million and grew our ARR 26% year-over-year to $1.74 billion. We also had another quarter of strong free cash flow generation. Finally, we achieved quarterly GAAP operating profitability for the first time in Q2, demonstrating the progress we continue to make on driving operating leverage in our subscription model.
Overall, our second quarter financial performance reflected continued disciplined execution. Our largest wins in the quarter demonstrated the appeal of the Nutanix Cloud Platform to organizations that are looking to adopt hybrid multi-cloud operating models, optimize the performance of their workloads and improve their TCO, all while managing through some of the disruption from recent industry M&A.
A good example is a 7-figure win with a global EMEA-based provider of automotive technology solutions. This new customer had an existing 3-tier footprint in need of a refresh, but was frustrated by the recent price increases of their incumbent vendor and was also looking to have the flexibility to potentially move some of their footprint to the public cloud in the future. They choose our Nutanix Cloud Platform, including our AHV hypervisor as well as Nutanix Cloud Management based on its superior TCO built in automation for Infrastructure as a Service and its ability to seamlessly transition workloads to public cloud via our NC2 solution.
We see this win as a good example of the value customers see in our cloud platform for both modernization and providing a seamless pathway to the public cloud. A second good example is a win with a large North American-based hedge fund that was looking to mitigate the growing cost of its public cloud hosted virtual desktop infrastructure, or VDI, and for a more responsive solution to meet the performance demand of its traders. They chose to repatriate their VDI on to the Nutanix Cloud Platform on GPU-based servers, resulting in a meaningful improvement in performance and an estimated 60% plus TCO savings.
We believe this win demonstrates the ability of the Nutanix Cloud Platform to seamlessly run and manage workloads wherever the optimal performance and TCO can be achieved, whether on-premise, at the edge or in the public cloud. A final example is one of our largest new customer wins in the quarter with a global airline based in the EMEA region that was looking to modernize their CTL infrastructure while enabling a hybrid multi-cloud environment.
This customer chose the Nutanix Cloud Platform, including Nutanix Cloud Management, to run their business-critical applications, leveraging its simplicity and built in automation for Infrastructure as a Service. They also adopted Nutanix Database Service for managing and deploying their databases throughout their organization and Nutanix Unified Storage to service their unstructured data needs. We see this win as evidence of the value company see in adopting our full stack solution.
Moving on, adopting and benefiting from generative AI is top of mind for many of our customers. As such, interest remains high in our GPT-in-a-Box offering, which enables our customers to accelerate the use of generative AI across their enterprises while keeping their data secure. Last quarter, we saw our first win for GPT-in-a-Box with a large federal agency. And this quarter, we saw multiple additional wins for our GenAI-ready infrastructure offering. While it's still early days and the numbers remain small, I'm excited about the longer-term potential for GPT-in-a-Box.
Finally, on the partner front, I'm happy with the early progress we're seeing with our Cisco partnership. We continue to see good customer interest in our joint offering and saw additional wins for it in the second quarter. While it's still early in this partnership, I'm encouraged by what we've seen so far.
In closing, we are encouraged that the compelling value proposition of our cloud platform and the strength of our business model enabled us to increase our top and bottom line outlook for fiscal 2024. We remain focused on delighting our customers while continuing to drive sustainable, profitable growth.
And with that, I'll hand it over to Rukmini Sivaraman. Rukmini?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Thank you, Rajiv. I will first review our Q2 fiscal '24 results, followed by guidance for Q3 fiscal '24 and finally provide an updated view of our full year fiscal year '24 guidance. Results in Q2 '24 came in higher than the high end of our range across all guided metrics. ACV billings in Q2 were $329 million, above the guided range of $295 million to $305 million, representing year-over-year growth of 23%.
The outperformance was driven by better-than-expected renewals performance due to a combination of good discipline around renewals economics, improved on-time renewal performance as well as the early and co-term renewals. Revenue in Q2 was $565 million, higher than the guided range of $545 million to $555 million and a year-over-year growth rate of 16%. ARR at the end of Q2 was $1.737 billion, representing year-over-year growth of 26%.
In Q2, we continue to see modestly elongated average sales cycles compared to historical levels. Average contract duration in Q2 was 2.8 years, slightly lower than Q1 and more or less in line with our expectations. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q2 was 87.3%, higher than our guided range of 85% to 86%. Non-GAAP operating margin was 21.9%, higher than our guided range of 14% to 16%, largely due to higher revenue and lower operating expenses as a result of timing of hiring.
Non-GAAP net income was $136 million or fully diluted EPS of $0.46 per share based on fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 299 million shares. Q2 marked our first ever quarter of positive GAAP operating income of $37 million and a positive GAAP net income of $33 million with fully diluted GAAP EPS of $0.12 per share.
Given expected variability in quarterly revenue and timing of expenses, we would not expect to be consistently profitable at the GAAP operating profit level over the near term. DSOs based on revenue and ending accounts receivable were 31 days in Q2. Free cash flow in Q2 was $163 million, representing a free cash flow margin of 29%, higher than our expectations due to higher billings and lower expenses in the quarter. We ended Q2 with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $1.644 billion, up from $1.571 billion at the end of Q1.
We continued repurchasing shares in Q2 under the share repurchase program previously authorized by our Board of Directors. Our sustainable generation of free cash flow enabled us to transition to net share settlement to pay for employees' tax liability on RSU vesting in Q2 and going forward from our previous method of sell to cover. This, along with our share repurchase program, will help us continue to manage dilution.
Moving to Q3 '24. Our guidance for Q3 is as follows: ACV billings of $265 million to $275 million; revenue of $510 million to $520 million; non-GAAP gross margin of approximately 85%; non-GAAP operating margin of 7.5% to 8.5%; and fully diluted shares outstanding of approximately 301 million shares.
The updated guidance for full year fiscal year '24, which is higher than our previously provided fiscal year '24 guidance across all metrics is as follows: ACV billings of $1.09 billion to $1.11 billion, representing a year-over-year growth of 15% at the midpoint of the range; revenue of $2.12 billion to $2.15 billion, representing a year-over-year growth of 15% at the midpoint; non-GAAP gross margin of 85% to 86%; non-GAAP operating margin of 12.5% to 13.5%; free cash flow of $420 million to $440 million, representing a free cash flow margin of 20% at the midpoint.
I will now provide some commentary regarding our updated fiscal year '24 guidance. First, we are seeing continued new and expansion opportunities for our solutions, despite the uncertain macro environment. However, as we mentioned previously, we have continued to see a modest elongation of average sales cycles relative to historical levels. Our fiscal year '24 new and expansion ACV performance outlook assumed some impact from these macro dynamics.
We are also seeing a higher mix of larger deals in our pipeline, which is driving greater variability in the timing of our new and expansion business. Second, the guidance assumes that our renewals business will continue to perform well. Third, the full year guidance continues to assume that average contract duration would be flat to slightly lower compared to fiscal year '23 as renewals continue to grow as a percent of our total billings. Fourth, a reminder that the full year ACV billing is not the straight sum of the ACV billings of the 4 quarters due to contracts with duration less than 1 year. We expect full year ACV billings to be about 5% to 6% lower than the sum of the 4 quarters ACV billings.
In closing, we are pleased that our Q2 results exceeded guidance and to raise our top line and bottom line guidance for the full fiscal year. We remain focused on driving growth to capture the significant opportunity ahead of us and are investing prudently for that growth consistent with our stated philosophy of sustainable, profitable growth. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from the line of Jim Fish from Piper Sandler.

James Edward Fish

Awesome quarter here. Look, I'm going to ask the obvious that's on top of everybody's mind, and I'm sure you're totally prepared for. On the VMware opportunity, and Rukmini, you even just mentioned you're seeing a higher mix of larger deals in the pipeline. So my question to you is, what sort of pipeline or bookings built have you seen relative to this stage last year between either direct customers kind of coming to you or partners coming over to you as well in terms of sign-ups?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. Why don't I start, Jim, and Rukmini can give you color on the pipeline. So first of all, I think, as you said, I mean, there are significant concerns from VMware customers regarding the Broadcom acquisition. And we think that this is a significant multiyear opportunity for us to win new customers and to gain share. Now getting to your question a bit here, the timing and magnitude of these deals is a bit unpredictable. Our pipeline is quite substantial and growing.
Now for a number of reasons, we expect contribution from the opportunity to build gradually, right? So -- and here are the reasons. The first one, Jim, is that many customers signed multi-year ELAs, enterprise agreement, with VMware prior to the deal closing 3 to 5 years. So it buys them some time to make decisions. The second converting from VMware 3-tier accounts or legacy storage accounts, which is a good chunk of VMware footprint, in many cases, requires a refresh of their storage and/or servers, right, 1 of the 2, which could also impact the timing of the potential software purchases that they would make with us, okay?
And the last piece is like with all these accounts, we typically have a land and expand motion. So the first deal could be smaller, and then there's a lot of potential for expansion further than that. And then Rukmini, do you want to take this?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Sure. Yes, I'll add one thing, Jim, to your question, is that I mentioned in my prepared remarks about this higher mix of larger deals that we're seeing in our pipeline. And that is driving the greater variability, we believe, in the timing of our new and expansion business as well as potentially contributing to the longer average sales cycles because larger deals do tend to take longer to close. And we believe that this higher mix of larger deals in the pipeline is driven by: one, our segmentation upmarket, as we've talked about before and the improved product readiness for those larger customers; and secondly, some of the dynamics that Rajiv talked about already regarding concerns from larger customers regarding the impacts from Broadcom's acquisition of VMware. And so we have continued and continue to factor all of the impact from some of these dynamics into our updated fiscal year '24 outlook.

James Edward Fish

Makes sense. And just a follow-up here. There's a bit of confusion out there from what I can tell in the conversations with investors between what VMware can do that Nutanix can't do? And so Rajiv, what differences actually exist, if any, or features exist? What the differences kind of exist, if any, between vSphere, for example, on Acropolis or the VMware platform versus Nutanix Platform or features functions you plan to add in order to make it an apples-to-apples compare?
Or is it simply just a legacy market perception thing that you guys can't address really what most of VMware could do? And really, why wouldn't we start to see that Acropolis attach rate get closer to 100% on every deal that you signed from kind of here on forward?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. So Jim, I think, first of all, if you compare to the full stack that Broadcom was offering with BMI Cloud Foundation, that -- and our Nutanix Cloud Platform pretty much goes head-to-head against that, right? We've got all the capabilities. So that's a full stack that includes the Hypervisor, the software-defined storage, networking and management. So we compare very well, right, with that full stack and we're able to go -- do a very comparable offering.
And indeed, as you can see, right, our AHV penetration -- our Hypervisor penetration in our installed base is about 70%, and we are seeing new customers who adopt our full stack start with our own hypervisor, okay? That part is correct. Now when it comes to the lower-tier offering, right, VMware does have a vSphere and now it's called, I believe, VMware Virtual Foundation, VVF, that includes vSphere or some operations management capabilities, et cetera.
Now what you -- what I mentioned earlier in my -- in response to the question was that, there is some amount of VMware. In fact, a big chunk of VMware, it's only the hypervisor that's connected to legacy storage, right, 3-tier storage areas. Now the way we go after the market is not to just simply replace the hypervisor with our hypervisor, right? Because our hypervisor also is part of our complete solution, right, which includes our storage.
So customers are actually making a shift from a legacy architecture that's a hypervisor plus external storage to a modern HCI architecture that includes our hypervisor, but also the rest of our stack. So there, it's not just a simple like-for-like, but it's a conversion and modernization of the infrastructure as well.
So I feel pretty good about what we can do. We can handle all the workloads, we have a hybrid cloud solution, we have a modern apps platform that customers can run Kubernetes applications on We have partnerships with Red Hat for OpenShift. We have partnerships with our cloud partners like Azure and AWS. So from a capability of a portfolio perspective, we are very much there.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Jason Ader from William Blair.

Jason Noah Ader

I just wanted to ask on that kind of the follow-up thread in the last question, just on the 3-tier architectures out there and most of those running VMware today. Does it feel like this change with the Broadcom acquisition actually could accelerate the transition away from 3-tier architectures as customers maybe get a little bit disenfranchised and are looking for alternatives? And then it's like, well, we never really looked at HCI, that closely, but now maybe we should. Are those kind of conversations happening?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Very much so, I would say, Jason. So in fact, you're right, right? There's a lot of VMware with what we call 3 tier. And one of the things that Broadcom itself has done, by the way, is that with the VMware Cloud Foundation, that includes HCI. And that their default offering to a lot of the bigger customers. So effectively now, it's not just us doing HCI but they're also putting it here, which puts a little bit of pressure on the 3-tier storage piece of it.
And so we are clearly focused on that opportunity, right, in terms of -- and we've been doing that all day long, right, since we have started migrating legacy 3-tier over to HCI and potentially that this might help. Now the other thing we should have to keep in mind, just so that we don't lose track of it, there are even easier and certain opportunities now because there is a substantial base of vSphere plus vSAN HCI out there. And so that's almost a like-for-like, right? Those customers have already made the HCI decision, and they might be looking.
If they're looking to migrate away from VMware, we pretty much have a like-for-like solution that we can migrate over to. And we are doing -- we're not sitting idle here, right? We are doing a bunch of things to capitalize on the opportunity. I'd say 3 things that we're doing. First is that we have been targeting some more advertising dollars to maximize the awareness of Nutanix as the simplest, easiest viable alternative for these customers.
Number two, we've also put in place incentives for our partners who are helping customers get to our platform for new customers. As partners bring new customers to us, we give them more incentives. Number three, yes, we are also helping end customers with migration. When they have a VMware environment and they're looking to bring our environment on, there's a period of time where they might have dual operating costs and we try to help them out on that front. So we're also taking some very specific steps to go after the opportunity.

Jason Noah Ader

Great. And then one quick follow-up just on your comments on Cisco that you're happy with the early progress. When do you think, Rajiv, that could start to really be a material contributor to the business?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. We factored in a modest contribution this year, Jason, from Cisco. I do expect that the contribution is going to be more significant in FY '25. And we'll cover that when we get to -- when we already talk about that FY '25 guide. But clearly, it takes time to build this up. We focused on enabling the full solution, training that sellers. And we're happy with the progress we're making. We are getting new customers through the cloud now and they are motivated. So I think over time, it will build.

Operator

And our next question will come from the line of Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America.

Wamsi Mohan

You've got very strong operating leverage in the quarter. Can you talk about if there were any onetime things in there? I think, Rukmini, you mentioned something around hiring. I didn't fully catch. But was there any onetime things in there? And why is that reverting lower next fiscal quarter? And I have a follow-up.

Rukmini Sivaraman

Yes. Wamsi, thanks for the question. So the reference I made in terms of our operating margin performance in Q2, which was -- came in strong at 22% and higher than our expectation was one revenue was higher than we expected. And expenses were a bit lower because of timing of hiring and just overall good expense management. And we do expect that expenses will go up in the second half.
So if you look at half over half, operating expenses implied in the guide that does go up in the second half, Wamsi, and of course, Q3 compared to Q2. Seasonally, the revenue is lower in Q3 than it is in Q2. So those are some of the things that are factoring into the outlook. But overall, I'd say we have continued to be focused on investing and investing thoughtfully on this growth opportunity that's ahead of us. And so that's the approach we've taken. And overall, we've been pleased to take up our full year outlook on both top and bottom line.

Wamsi Mohan

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. And then, Rajiv, I mean, you made some comments already. But can you perhaps maybe quantitatively talk about the wins that are coming your way because of this M&A and sort of how many points of growth potentially we should be thinking about or how many points of share that you think you could see shift over to Nutanix given this disruption? Or even maybe if you can talk about it in qualitative terms around rate and pace of pipeline build just quarter-over-quarter or over the last few quarters, that would be helpful?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. Wamsi, first of all, I think it's going to be hard for me to give you some very specific quantitative numbers at this point. But what I'd say is, for sure, right, if you look at our last Investor Day, we talked about our TAM and the SAM as part of that, right? The $60 billion, $70 billion TAM and SAM. And what we really expect is -- I mean, we've always been going and continuing to grow market share and eat into that SAM and what this event creates is an opportunity to speed that up, right?
So it's the same -- the TAM and SAM haven't really changed. It's still the same, but now we're able to get after more of it quicker. Now the challenge with quantifying it is that it's very hard to predict, right? I mean it's -- yes, we've got that, how much of this is going to come how quickly and -- and this is what -- it's a little early for us to say something there, right? So we've got -- like I said, we've got customers who want to do something different, but they've got these 3, 5-year ELAs. They're not in a rush. There's some time it takes to convert customers and they have to depreciate the hardware that they bought, for example, and then the -- bring us in for a small portion and expand. So all of these things create some unpredictability in terms of timing and how quickly can we capture it.
But I certainly think that this provides us an opportunity for us to capture more of that market quicker, and we are trying to move as quickly as we can. I don't know, Rukmini, do you want to provide any color on the pipeline?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Yes. I may add one thing to that, Rajiv, which is that I think, Wamsi, your question is specifically around what we can tell about this opportunity as a result of VMware's acquisition by Broadcom. And I'd say, I think the other nuance here is we've always competed against VMware, right? And so in some cases, it's quite clear to tell, well, this door wasn't open to us before. And now it is because of what they may be seeing from our competitor.
But in other cases, and we talked about an example on the last earnings call where existing customers of ours are maybe choosing to invest more in us or go single source with us are partly influenced by this, right? So there's this idea of, in some cases, it's clear in other cases, it's more of a factor, an important factor, but one factor. And so in that -- those situations is harder for us to attribute, specifically dollars and pipeline and things like that to this particular disruption in the competitive market. So all those factors combined are -- or what makes us feel good that this is a multiyear opportunity, as Rajiv has mentioned, but difficult to get precise in terms of magnitude and timing.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Pinjalim Bora from JPMorgan.

Pinjalim Bora

Congrats on the quarter. Rajiv, one of your partners compared the Nutanix Cisco relationship and the buzz around it to the formative years of VCE and noted how VCE was kind of a game changer for VMware at the time. Do you think the Cisco partnership could be that pivotal for Nutanix? And secondly, do you think there are any learnings from the rise and fall of VCE that you can apply, I guess, to this relationship?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. I was actually there at Cisco at that time with the VCE partnership and clearly very cyclical initially. Now I -- it's hard for me to compare VCE back then converged infrastructure with this. But I'll tell you the -- I'll give you sort of the puts and takes, right? So clearly, Cisco has huge market leverage and market position, right, in terms of their sellers and their access to big accounts and their presence in all these accounts.
Now if you look at this particular space in the market, their several position is not that -- they're a small -- relatively small market share player when it comes to servers compared to some of their other competitors. So it's -- so they're not as strong in this segment of the market. However, I mean, they certainly have a big overall market cloud. So now what would the 2 of us do together really to go into the market and that's really, I think, where I do see significant potential here over time.
Again, it has to take time to build up. And Cisco also has a complex selling motion. They have generalists, they have specialists. And right now, we are more focused on the data center specialists that they have and working together with them. So to answer your question, I mean, it's a little early days for us to predict how big this could be for us.
And I would say we -- I am optimistic, and I think this opportunity is also going to build up over time. And certainly, continuing to -- and in fact, there's a lot of cooperation happening between our sellers and Cisco sellers in the field. So all good omens at this point in time, but still very early.

Pinjalim Bora

Understood. I guess we'll stay tuned. One question for you, Rukmini. The ACV billings guidance for fiscal Q3. It seems like calls for maybe a little bit higher sequential drawdown. I want to ask you the sales cycle elongation comment that you made, was that versus Q1 -- the elongation in Q2 that you saw, was that sequential? And are you assuming kind of a similar sequential higher elongation in the Q3 guide as well?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Pinjalim, thank you for that question. So on -- I think the first part of your question was on seasonality between Q2 and Q3. And so on that front, if you look back to sort of our initial guidance that we gave for Q3 last year this time, Pinjalim, it was actually quite similar in terms of the -- what we guided for Q3 versus Q2. But we were able to beat Q3. And so actually, I think is what you're referring to with smaller than what we guided to.
But the decrease, I would say, is more or less in line with what we'd expect for seasonality and what we expected at this time last year as well. And then to your point on the average sales cycle and the modest elongation we're seeing there, it moves around a bit quarter-to-quarter, Pinjalim. But what I was referring to is that when we look back to historical levels, it remains somewhat elevated. And so that's what I was referring to.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of George Wang from Barclays.

Dong Wang

Congrats on the quarter and the guidance. I have two quick ones. Firstly, you briefly touched on the potential the discounts and promotions to promote VMware customers. And I just want to kind of see if you can elaborate on the approach for the Cisco partnership, the HyperFlex customers? Maybe you can give some color just on the incentives you guys are providing to kind of further drive the adoption from the older HyperFlex customers?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. We have -- I think I would say that's Cisco, right? With Cisco, clearly, we have a -- they are -- they've ended up like HyperFlex, first of all, and there's a limited time where -- so they're no longer selling the product, and there's a limited support window for it. So that by itself, by the way, it creates an incentive for HyperFlex customers to migrate. And we, through Cisco, of course, has a whole -- Cisco has a set of programs for migration and they're good at driving those types of migration initiatives, and we are supporting them as they do that. So this is being done largely through Cisco and through the Cisco router market.

Dong Wang

Also, Rajiv, quickly, you talked about the repatriation in the prepared remarks. I'm just curious, are you seeing a more visible inflection point in terms of the repatriation to the private cloud? Or it's still a continuation of prior trend? Just besides lower TCO kind of versus expensive public cloud, can you kind of talk about other factors may contribute to continued repatriation to the private cloud?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. I'll give you a two-part answer to that, George. So I don't know if I can call it a point of inflection. But certainly, we are seeing more examples of people repatriating, but those are examples. It's hard for me to say that there's a whole trend here, right? Yet. But some are certainly repatriating, like the example I talked about. But also, I think the other thing that we should keep in mind is that the bulk of enterprise workloads are still not in the public cloud. They're still sitting in data centers.
I'm talking about enterprise workloads because what has gone to the public cloud largely have been net new applications. So for these workloads that are still sitting in the enterprise environment, I think CIOs are being a lot more careful about how much of that do they take to the public cloud. So there's -- yes, there's some repatriation happening from the public cloud back on-prem, but there's also a lot more scrutiny and forethought being applied to what should I take going forward into the public cloud from where I'm at.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Michael Cikos from Needham.

Michael Joseph Cikos

And I wanted to echo my comments as well in addition to the others as far as the great quarter and the results here. I think there's a bit of a two part here. But the first, I know coming back to the financials specifically Rukmini, can you help us think about the benefit to the quarter from the co-terming that occurred? And if -- I guess, to what degree anything was pulled forward that was expected to land later this year when we think about the magnitude of the beat and raise for guidance?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Sure. Mike, so yes, I talked about renewals outperformance in Q2, and there were 3 factors that I highlighted to -- as the reason for that outperformance. One was better renewals economics. And by that, I mean, just -- our team is able to get better sort of pricing at the time of renewal, which is good. Secondly, we talked about better on-time renewal performance, which was strong in the quarter as well. And then the third piece, I think, is what you're referring to, Mike, which is around I said that we did -- do a little better on early and co-term renewal.
And those, as we've said before, we go out to our customers well in advance of a renewal being due and start that conversation early and that's what they prefer as well. And often, we will be able to transact those renewals earlier than when they are -- in an earlier quarter than when they are due. And co-term similarly. Co-terms are beneficial both for us and for the customer because it then brings a lot of their licenses that may have been purchased at different times to all be aligned to the same end date.
And so those we generally welcome as long as they are coming at good economics for us. It's good for the customers. They give us cash upfront. And so those are all generally things that we welcome. Now in terms of the dynamic of the pull forward, which I think was another sort of aspect of your question, Mike, I'd say there is normal variation, right, between quarters, and we would expect that to continue going forward.
And I would say, I think we had also talked about this dynamic between fiscal year '24 and fiscal year '25. And I'm not sure if that's where you were going, Mike. But at this point, we still do see that renewal available to renew for next year. The growth in that is accelerating compared to what we saw for fiscal year '24 because that was partly early than co-terms, but was also just a bigger renewal cohort that is coming up in '25, which is leading to that accelerated renewals ATR in '25 compared to '24.
So overall, again, I would say a pretty strong quarter from a renewals perspective. And generally, these are all the outperformance is done by things that we like to see. So nothing that I would sort of characterize as better than expected certainly, but allows us to sort of certainly manage the business on a more predictable basis going forward.

Michael Joseph Cikos

Got it. Got it. And Mike, it's funny you're ending that response on predictability. I think one of the things that I've been going through on my side, this earnings season is certain companies have cited seeing larger deals in their pipeline and greater variability based on when those deals close. So I wanted to get a sense if possible, but can you help us think about the magnitude when you're citing these larger deals?
Like are they coming with like an x percent increase in size from a dollar perspective versus what you're historically seeing? And just to help us get a better sense of that. And then the second piece tied to that is, how do you get confidence in driving those deals, again, just because they are obviously more strategic? There's less certainty around the timing of the windows closed. Just anything there as far as how you do gain confidence on that front. It's a high-quality problem I have I'll start with that, but I just want to make sure that you guys are thinking about this and wanted to see how you'd respond to that on our side.

Rukmini Sivaraman

Yes, it's a good question, Mike, and you're right, these larger deals are inherently more unpredictable, which is why I think my point on your previous question, right, was renewals generally more predictable, although, of course, we think there is some variability there. But definitely more predictable, right, than the new and expansion portion.
And so I won't give you a specific number, Mike. I know you were looking for like some percentage or size or something like that. What I would say is when we look at our pipeline of opportunities, and we look at the mix of that, meaning how much is coming from deals of a certain size versus a larger size. And if you think you may have buckets of deal sizes, what we're seeing in the data is that a larger proportion is coming from those higher larger deal size buckets than we've seen previously, right?
So -- and that's in addition to the pipeline growing. We're just saying that the mix of it is also changing to be weighted more towards larger deals. So that's sort of the first part of the answer to your question. Now in terms of just how do we get comfortable? We look at what's in the pipeline. We're looking at a lot of other things that we -- in terms of conversion rates and things like that and it's related to the pipeline. And then we put a probability on how many of those we think we can convert, right, during a period of time.
And so that's sort of a little more color into the methodology of how we're approaching this, and all that is factored into the guidance that we provided, right? But Rajiv, did you want to add anything to that?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes, just a couple of things. First of all, I think one of the reasons we're seeing these large deals is because we, of course, for a while, we've been working on a portfolio that -- product portfolio which we think is ready for large-scale enterprise deployments. And so we have segmented our focus a bit further up the market in terms of our own sales force segmentation. And then on top of that, we've got this industry disruption with VMware, where many large customers, of course, who are not necessarily engaged with us before are now engaging with us.
So that's the reason for why we're seeing more of these large deals in our pipeline. Now I think with respect to prosecuting these deals, I would say we keep getting better at going after these deals. I mean we have a whole 360 approach towards going after this. We have executive responses on the big accounts where we have large deals. We have a full team assembled to go pursue these deals. And now having said that, so it's still going to be timing, it's going to be a bit unpredictable and the size of these things also tend to vary over time.
So it doesn't completely replace the unpredictability, but it does -- it's a series of engagement, right, when you have these types of deals between both companies. We are investing resources, customers are investing a lot of resources as well because there's a lot of testing, certifications, going through contract negotiations, security audits, a whole bunch of things that get through this process. And so I would say we, as a company, are getting better and better at going after these types of opportunities.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley.

Meta A. Marshall

A couple of questions for me. Maybe just on -- you noted clearly some macro headwinds still. Just wanted to get a sense of any of the shape of that? Or is it still things that are just elongating lead times? Are you seeing it on larger deals, smaller deals, certain verticals, certain types of projects, kind of just any change in color from the past couple of quarters, if there are any?
And then maybe on the second question, I would imagine you guys are getting a number of resumes in your inbox right now, just kind of given the disruption. Just any notable hires or how you're finding kind of the pool of talent to add in terms of some of your OpEx adds?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. Rukmini, why don't you take number one, I'll take the number two question.

Rukmini Sivaraman

Yes. Sure, Rajiv. So on macro, Meta, which I think was your first question, it's more or less remained stable relative to what we've seen in the last few quarters. So fairly consistent, okay, with what we've seen in the last few quarters. And I'd -- we'd characterize that as somewhat uncertain, but stable. And that's sort of what we continue to see. So no significant change from that, which, again, as we talked about, did show up in the continued modest elongation of sales cycles compared to our historical levels.
Now some of that could also be driven by this larger mix of higher -- larger deal sizes in our pipeline. So that's sort of showing up now. But again, that is also a factor of just the fact that we've gone up market. It's not necessarily a macro point. So on macro, nothing else I would call out in terms of specific verticals seeing strength or weakness that we're noticing at this point. Somewhat uncertain, but stable is how we'd characterize it.

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. And Meta, on the talent question, there's no doubt this is -- 2 years ago, it was a difficult market for talent, right? Everybody was hiring and it was a tough market as we tend to hire the top of the pyramid in terms of software developers. Now that has changed quite significantly for us, right? In this market, today, we are able to attract the best talent from every place, not just VMware or other places you might think of, but also from hyperscalers, for example. And so we see a good tenant environment.
We have been using that, of course -- we have been hiring carefully, but selectively in both R&D and sales. And we are seeing really good talent come in the door. And overall, it's helping up level the talent that we have in the company, and I'm very happy about that. And that's happening at the individual contributor levels, but also at the management levels as well, so across the board.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Erik Suppiger from JMP.

Erik Loren Suppiger

All right. Sorry about that. I wanted to just touch on the subject of larger deals and elongated sales cycles. As previously noted, there have been other vendors that have seen similar trends and there was some discussions around consolidation customers that are getting more focused on consolidating onto a single or a few vendors as opposed to a lot of tools out there. Is that one of the things that could be contributing to the elongated sales cycle? Or is it more of an economic uncertainty issue?

Rajiv Ramaswami

I'm not sure as much, Erik, whether it's because people are consolidating vendors. In our case, for example, certainly, there's a lot of like, okay, I've got an incumbent vendor that I need to rethink my strategy and bring on alternative vendor. And that's really playing very much for us, right, very much in play. So they were happy with the vendor prior, and now they don't feel happy. So they've got to look at an alternative and we have a very solid infrastructure alternative. That's one factor that's clearly playing.
The second factor, as I mentioned a little earlier, is that we as a company have gotten to a point where we have a portfolio that can address pretty much across the enterprise, all the applications that customers are running. So all applications that -- from small scale to very large scale, and that makes us a bigger player in our customers' minds, right? It's not that they're thinking about it as vendor for just one use case anymore. They're thinking about it as a platform vendor for them that can run all their applications.
And so that's typically a -- leads to a more larger strategic engagement with the customer, which also takes longer, right? So that, I think, is what's playing in our -- for us -- playing out for us now.

Erik Loren Suppiger

Okay. Very good. And then just on the ChatGPT-in-a-Box. Just curious if you have seen particular groups or segments of your customer base that are adopting that? Who is doing AI in a private cloud these days?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. First of all, I'd say it's early days for us, Erik, on that. But we are seeing traction across all kinds of verticals, financial services, defense, federal. In fact, one of our first wins was with the federal agency. Manufacturing, pharma or medical devices. So there's just many different verticals, but the use cases tend to be somewhat similar. Document summarization, search analytics, co-piloting, customer service, right, enhanced fraud detection, these are some of the same -- or same use cases, but across a range of verticals.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Ben Bollin from Cleveland Research Company.

Benjamin James Bollin

Rukmini, you made a comment about investing carefully for the growth in front of you. And there's been a few questions on hiring. I'm curious about how your hiring plans have evolved since the start of the year when you look at what you see out there? And in particular, how you're managing the amount of inbound activity that you are seeing from partners and customers? And then I had a follow-up.

Rajiv Ramaswami

So maybe I'll take that, Ben. So I think there's a couple of points. One is related to hiring. The other is inbound activity from partners, customers, et cetera. So a slightly different question there. So I think -- on the hiring, we've -- if you look at our history here, we've been very, very tight on OpEx for the past few years for the right reasons. As we consolidated our portfolio, got some more focus into the company and got our execution going.
And now this is the year where we are investing. Our OpEx is going based on what we've talked about. And -- but we are investing judiciously, continuing to drive both growth and leverage to our bottom line, but we're certainly investing. We're investing in terms of building out our portfolio on an R&D perspective. We're investing in terms of our go-to-market so that we can be more effective in terms of getting -- handling the demand that we're starting to see.
And to your point, over the last, I would say, 1 year or 2 years, we've seen more incoming from customers, partners and managed service providers. And we are -- we now have focused efforts in terms of addressing all of those, right, whether it be a larger set of customer engagements, whether it be more focused in terms of the partners, which was one of the priorities that I said very early on when we started here 3 years ago.
So more focus on the channel, enabling them, recruiting partners, giving them incentives, making them more autonomous and extending that to our managed service provider partners, where we continue to add more of them to our partner network over time.

Benjamin James Bollin

Okay. That's great. Rajiv, one other question for you is, you commented earlier about some CIO scrutiny as it relates to the data center investments and public cloud investments. I'm curious if you're seeing any change in how customers are thinking about their longer-term infrastructure planning from an investment perspective notably because of what's happened with Broadcom and VMware? And that's it for me.

Rajiv Ramaswami

Well, I mean, certainly, Ben. So the bottom line, I think, absolutely it is, right? I mean, again, VMware was a great technology vendor with a lot of innovation and customers and with a large footprint at customers. And now they have to rethink whether that's the right long-term strategy for them. And so that says, okay, well, we've got to either look at alternative providers, of which we are an easy alternative or they could say, when I could go more to the public cloud, okay, which is not as easy a thing for existing workloads to just take everything and move it to the public cloud, that's not easy to do.
And then they factor into the fact -- cost, regulatory aspects of it and so forth. So clearly, I think for us as a vendor, there is certainly -- we see customers continue to invest in infrastructure modernization in terms of digitization, in terms of running modern applications not just in the public cloud but also on-prem. And like some of these new cycles that are happening now, like AI, for example, we'll also find the spot down the same route, right, which is -- it's starting out with a lot of training happening in public cloud, but it's moving towards, okay, I'm going to run my AI, I'm going to -- I'm going to fine-tune the training on my own data sets, which are proprietary that I want to keep carefully.
And I'm going to have to potentially look at slightly different solutions for inferencing which are going to be running closer to my edge locations. So these things are driving what we call hybrid multi-cloud. And I think that's very much, I think, the world that many of our customers are here for the next several years.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Bergstrom from RBC Capital Markets.

Daniel Robert Bergstrom

It's Dan Bergstrom for Matt Hedberg. To build off a recent answer that mentioned a 360 approach around VMware deals, could you go into some of the mechanics and processes involved in migration over from VMware? I guess, specifically what tools are in place to facilitate migrations? And then how long does a typical migration take?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. I mean -- and the answer to that query -- but I'll go through the process, Dan. So there's clearly an assessment of what the workloads are that our applications are that are running on that infrastructure. That's one part of it and making sure that we can run all those workloads with good performance, which, by and large, is the case these days.
The second is what elements of the stack have they deployed? And the more of the elements that they have deployed, the stickier or the more complex migration becomes. So for example, for a customer that just only deployed a hypervisor, it's a largely automated move away from the hypervisor to our hypervisor. We have automated tools. In fact, our tools called Move. We've done a lot of these VM migrations all day long. And so that's a relatively simple migration that can be done automated.
Now at the other end of the spectrum, if they've invested a lot of custom automation work, custom security work on top of the stack, then some of those will have to be converted over and that requires a professional services engagement, which also is part of our offering to help convert over some of those onto our platform or onto more open types of platforms.
For example, automation people are looking at Terraform as an example. So in those cases, it's a more complex migration. I'll give you some examples though. In a lot of cases, actually, what happens is that the migration plan will take some time, the actual execution of the migration is very quick. There was a case study that we published recently of a health care system that we've been engaged with for the past 3 years or so. The name of pediatrics, it's public at this point. And they planned this migration for a few years. But when they actually came around to doing the migration, they were done within 90 days. So that's a typical example.
There's a cycle of selling and engagement and everything and then getting everything ready. And then once it's ready, they were able to migrate in 90 days, and I would call them as a medium complexity environment. They're not at the high end of the complexity, but they're not necessarily the lower -- the simplest side.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Simon Leopold from Raymond James.

W. Chiu

This is Victor Chiu for Simon Leopold. Just really quickly, can you help us understand what's baked into your full year outlook specifically? Does the current guidance reflects gains from VMware at a similar rate? Or are you expecting this accelerates from here?

Rukmini Sivaraman

Thank you, Victor, for the question. So the full year guide assumes some benefit from the VMware being acquired by Broadcom, as we said at the beginning of the year. And no, it does not expect any acceleration at this point, right? It just assumes it has some benefit in there. It also assumes a small benefit, as we've talked about before, towards the end of the year from the Cisco partnership as well.
But that, again, as Rajiv said, we expect that to grow over time and certainly into fiscal year '25, but there's a small benefit from that baked in as well in addition to sort of all the other dynamics we've talked about on this call, right, including modest elongation, average sales cycles, unpredictability with regard to large deals in the pipeline, et cetera.

W. Chiu

Okay. Great. That's helpful. And just lastly, I wanted to follow up on the macro question. We've been hearing through the channel that the sentiment on the HCI market overall has turned slightly more cautious. Can you help us understand what you're thinking for HCI growth overall this year and how Nutanix performs relative to that?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. Maybe I'll take that. I don't think -- we haven't seen a slowdown or caution around HCI adoption. I think it's been the same kind of dynamic that we've seen in the past, right? There is a legacy infrastructure out there. The HCI capabilities have continuously gotten better over time where HCI today can run pretty much all enterprise workloads on the platform and in many cases, can do so with better performance even than legacy architecture.
So better performance, better TCO or much simpler to operate. So -- but I think the -- what we've always had to overcome is inertia, right? We've got a set way of doing things that customers have been doing for a long time. And here is a shift to a more modern software-defined architecture. And that shift we have to do, right? And we have to overcome that with all that. And -- but that's been what we've been doing for the entire existence of the company. So I wouldn't see that there's been a bunch of change in how our customers are thinking about it, certainly not in the last year or so that I've seen.

W. Chiu

That's great. And how the growth -- what you're thinking for growth and kind of how Nutanix is growing relative?

Rajiv Ramaswami

Yes. I think we -- I don't have much to add beyond what we covered at Investor Day just last September, where we provided both the TAM and SAM opportunities and our growth outlook in terms of -- 20% ARR growth in terms of what we could drive through FY '27 is what we said there.

Operator

And with that, this will conclude our question-and-answer session today. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.